Freelancer - General Discussion

If the person doesn’t care about it, then it’s not a consequence. Consequences only matter or have any relevance when the person they happen to cares that they’re happening. It doesn’t matter if the game does that, anymore than it matters that a tree grows bark. If someone doesn’t care about it, the fact that it is a thing is still inconsequential to anything else besides itself.

No, that person can say they have a better score than you. They might say they are better than you, based off of that score, but they would be wrong, or more accurately, they would have no way of knowing whether or not they were right. They don’t know if that person they rank higher than is actually playing to the best of their ability in accordance with the rules that grant the points in that score.

@schatenjager is a good example of this: he doesn’t play in accordance with what one might consider standard (read: normal) Hitman playing methods. His score, as a result, could be ranking near the bottom. But, for all we know, if he wanted to, he might be able to clear a mission of all targets in a way so discreet and seamless it could put my own parameters to shame. We would have no way of knowing that based off of a score.

If one will pardon me a moment of immodest egotism, I know in my gut, based just off the reactions to my parameters of perfection as a concept, that I could Silent Assassin the shit out of anybody on this forum in a straight-up contest played side-by-side to measure that very thing. However, you wouldn’t know that from my score or position on leaderboards, because I take my time and am not concerned with how the actual numerical score grades my performance. Somebody doing a speedrun might finish with a full SASO and a higher score than me just for getting it done faster, but might do things like not hide bodies, leave guns lying around, shoot objects for distractions and shoot cameras to avoid detection, and of course would be running at full speed doing all this. Such things might get a higher score, but if measured by style and discretion, I could make them look like sloppy amateurs. The scores and leaderboards don’t mean a thing when measuring a player’s actual skill or ability, only the bottom line of their playthroughs.

So, again, if a player doesn’t care about their rank, then it doesn’t matter outside of needing a certain rank to achieve specific ends, and nobody making a claim that they are better based off of the rank of their score would have any way know that they’re better at anything except accumulating points, and so don’t have any opinion worth hearing on the subject.

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Confirmed.

Also confirmed.

Seriously though, I consider myself average. Not a speed runner with that level of level knowledge, not a perfection player, not overly sloppy, but capable of playing to whatever level is required at the given moment - just not all that fast.

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Install OBS and make a recording (or stream) of a complete campaign run. It would be interesting to see.

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Uh oh…

pwhahahahahaha what

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Meaning that I’m pretty sure, based of course on my own idea of how someone should go about earning a SA in this game, that I could do it better than anyone else here. I do mention that I know this “in my gut,” meaning I have no confirmation of this of course, and it’s based off how I view the game should be played. Anyone else try to play it the way I do, I bet I’ll beat each one of you at it, so I’m making that claim through a very exclusive window.

https://youtu.be/IbpH6ETS_Tc

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Is that supposed to mean something?

Elimination Payout: :merces: 0.00 :thinking:

Eh, is this actually a thing? All the others, even the other alerted territories have a :merces: payout.

Or is it possibly a bug?

Edit: Turns out the payout was around 6K :merces: (with no failed objectives).

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The payout went to booking a hut at the resort.

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What a player thinks is irrelevant. If you care or dont is irrelevant. It’s by game design. You are on the leaderboard whether you care or not. So slow and or sloppy is punished by a lower score.

You know you’re both right, right?

Lower score, different rank, less stars, those are all actual consequences. Whether the player actually cares about those consequences though is also relevant.

This is why prison is not typically seen as a good crime deterrent. Criminals don’t generally care about prison as a consequence prior to committing crimes, but there is no doubt that it is one.

Hitman has consequences for “poor” play, but if the player doesn’t care, than the consequence is irrelevant.

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I’m better than you at how I play the game.

Engrave that on my tombstone

A lower score that means nothing. So I’m on the leaderboard whether I want it or not. So? I don’t care, now what? What relevance does that leaderboard score or where it places in relation to another player’s score have to do with… anything? It doesn’t matter if it’s by game design; the kiwi squeak toy in a suit is also a game design, but that’s completely irrelevant to anyone who doesn’t use the kiwi in a suit. Slow and sloppy is not “punished” by a lower score if the receiver of that score does not consider the score a punishment. A consequence or punishment doesn’t mean anything unless it is in opposition to the desires of those upon whom it is inflicted. Cutting your Merces in half by failing a campaign when you needed them to purchase more weapons, that’s a punishment; if you don’t care about the Merces or getting more weapons, it’s not. Getting a low score on the leaderboard only matters if you care about the leaderboard. If you don’t care about it, then while getting a low score for sloppy play is a factual occurrence, sure, but is still not a punishment.

Anyway, I’m done now, because if I go further than this then Norseman is gonna get on my case for doing this again, so either learn something from this or don’t, it’s your concern now.

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Question: is there a way to enter the Santa Fortuna cave system without unlocking a door?

Is there not a way from the Coca fields?

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Credit to Hitmaps

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Yup, it’s easy too because you use three different disguises in there (that i know of), coca field people, coca field guards & mansion guards

Rico’s garage switch might also work, dunno if that secret door counts as “opening a door” or not :x

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AND a combat knife! That was my go to.

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Why we got all those silly knife reskins like the kukri and ancient knife in Freelancer but no combat knife is completely beyond me.

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You don’t seem to understand. The game is punishing you whether you care or not. That’s my point. Sigh