The way I choose to interpret it was that in Mendoza obviously The Constant and Diana have discussed that they’re going to lead 47 into a trap. So those two know that 47 is out there and a threat. But I reckon The Constant might have just lied to the other Providence Members so they don’t worry and the ruse is even more convincing. Having more people on edge looking out for 47 is just going to make 47 even harder to catch
So The Constant was just like “oh yeah we caught up with that crazy assassin guy after he leaked all those documents. It’s all taken care of dw” to all the Heralds and such. Plus it feels like Providence works by restricting who knows what at any given time so people would probably just have to take Edwards’ word for it
To be honest though, a lot of stuff that was done in previous games they done in this one and it was done very well and I think they only had 2 options - 1. 47 vs Grey OR 2. The Constant.
Going with the Constant as the main bad guy was country miles weaker than the alternative for me considering he was basically a ‘stock’ cowardly bad guy and was weak as hell. The Washington twins and the other partners were basically bullying him and bossing him around. Plus 47 and Grey already outsmarted him at the end of H2 and dragged him out of the place by his ear practically crying. He reeked of ‘red herring’ main bad guy to me.
It also felt like there was no emotional connection there. He didn’t really DO anything to 47 or Grey, he just happened to be the Constant of Providence at the time they decided to wipe it out. I was seriously expecting us to see Grey pull a “Do you feel in charge?” moment like from the Dark Knight Rises on him as soon as the others partners were killed and then take over Providence himself.
I wouldn’t conflate not being a physical fighter with being a coward, nor do I remember his exit from Sgail being snivelling at all. He calmly walked out with 47, putting together the pieces of the situation and manipulating 47 into telling him that Diana had turned on him and that Lucas Grey was Subject 6. As for the Washingtons and the Partners, yeah the bullied him but they were also either for more powerful than him or had him at a sort of gunpoint. What was he supposed to do, give them all a backhanded slap to the face for talking shit?
I think part of Edward’s appeal as a villain is that you can’t touch him because he’s a sneaky bastard who never puts himself in physical danger without at least a couple guns trained on you to keep you in check. And he’s patient enough to play the long game.
He nearly fills his underpants when he realises who 47 is and grumbles about 47 killing Janus and if you approach him violently he literally fills his pants Although I doubt the second is ‘canon’.
He’s completely out of the loop about everything too until H3 while most impressive bad guys know everything inside out and are a step ahead like Grey clearly does and is. And the Washington twins and the other partners bossing him around is a clear indication that he is meant to be portrayed as cowardly and sneaky. He is basically on a leash. Very poor bad guy overall in my opinion that makes you think “can we just get rid of this turd already and then find out who the real villain is?” before the disappointment hits that he IS it.
Even if they never went with the traitor Grey angle I would’ve hoped for someone a bit better or at least someone that had more of an emotional connection to 47 but as the game continued I realised this wasn’t going to happen.
I like to point out that the Constant never lost his cool during his little talk with Sophia even though her words about how the Partners would never consider him an equal due to his middle-class upbringing certainly hit a nerve. A lot of people expected a Jordan Cross moment when Sophia was standing close to the edge. Instead he calmly told her he was disappointed and walked away.
And what did Sophia do once the Constant was gone? She immediately started panicking, called her sister and tried to convince her that they had to kill The Constant right now. This is the women who supposedly was holding his leash. So, who’s the coward again?
0:46 - “You’re Burnwood’s assassin” He sounds impressed but not overly fearful
1:13 - “I had a notion something didn’t sit right with my mentor’s ‘betrayal’” Justifiably aggrieved at losing Janus. Also the most emotional he sounds during the entire scene.
He has to start out out in a subordinate position to effectively show his rise to power. That’s just good writing. And as for anyone who had a direct hand in what happened to our boys (leaving aside the entire concept of inherited guilt) he was still more than happy to benefit from 47’s skills and to use him to get to Diana.
Kept his cool? He was having a strop like a spoiled child as far as I remember because he realised he was maybe losing control even after recommending the twins himself. You can point out certain parts where he maintained or reclaimed his cool but overall he had moments where he was completely owned on several occasions
But the important thing is how he reacts and acts in relation to 47 and he was outsmarted by him and dealt with very easily.
Yep seen it just a short while ago. Even the very start of it shows how weak he is as a bad guy in my opinion. He is completely undone there and thinks “oh shit am I dead here or what?”. Imagine the main bad guy in a movie acting like that who is meant to be the main characters match or a threat to them in some way.
It’s not that he isn’t a great character, he is, but as the head honcho he feels very weak and exudes worry in every scene rather than confidence. Depends what you prefer though. I prefer the badass bad guys of the old games.
Calling him a ‘cuck’ is a bit harsh so it sounds like you need to tone down on the action yourself there, sport
And you’ve conflated the word ‘threat’ with assuming I meant only physical threat
Remember the only time the Constant managed to get the better of 47 was because of Diana and that was Diana’s plan not his and was a ruse to get to him again. Besides that he didn’t come close to threatening 47 in any game.
So by that logic the fact that he went with 47 rather than face a quick death is just as cowardly isn’t it? I mean the idea of the chip was to act as a failsafe in case he is compromised but instead he went with 47, got tortured and gave up the information on the other partners without much convincing needed at all:-
Actually I’m not even sure he even got tortured to be honest. I think he just spilled the beans.
He went with 47 because he was willing to risk being tortured to find a way to get out later, rather than taking the quick, painless death he knew he could get instead. It’s clear by the time you get to the 2nd map in H3 that he gave up the partners not to save his own skin, but to try and use Lucas and 47 to gain control of Providence, which he does in fact do. These are the actions of a mentally tough person, not a coward.
He made the best of his situation when he was screwed which is definitely smart but still cowardly. It’s mentally tough to throw someone under the bus to steal power?
Again, cowardly would have been running. Taking the easy way out, rather than face the very real possibility that you’ll be tortured to death like the two people in Hawkes Bay
Although I doubt the second is ‘canon’.
