ENDING SPOILERS Was anyone else hoping this would happen as part of the ending?

Spilling the beans is also cowardly so he’s cowardly either way as his character design dictates.

Yeah, it absolutely takes mental toughness to find a clever way to use your captors to fulfill your own goals, rather than panic. He’s tied up to a chair, staring at 3 people, one of them known as being so good at assasinations as to be a myth, even to groups like Providence. The 2nd has killed several of your compatriots and tortured, or ordered the torture of multiple people. It would be easy to panic. Difficult to find a way to further your own ends and plan your escape while convincing your captors you are beaten

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Watch when they put the killswitch in him, he’s planning on bringing the partners down from that moment on, consolidating his resources for a takeover. Then 47 shows up and throws all those plans in the bin, so he improvises

You’re getting intelligence mixed up with mental toughness I think. Mental toughness is dealing with hardship and staying strong mentally. I’d say 47, Grey and Diana are mentally tough based on what we know they’ve been through. Edwards is intelligent, scheming and conniving rather than mentally tough.

Edwards didn’t have to be mentally tough. He just handed over the names and it happened to fit in with what he was scheming anyway. So if anything it was just pot luck and a change of plan on his part.

“Mental toughness is dealing with hardship and staying strong mentally”

You mean hardship like being taken prisoner by a terrorist hell bent on destroying the group you have dedicated your life to?
I think you don’t want to give any positive attributes to the heel.

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Yes that hardship. It’s not the hardship that shows toughness, it is the reaction to it. And he gave up the goods in a split second hence NOT mentally tough :joy:

I’d say the Constant is somewhat of a terrorist himself. I’ve just gave several to him. He’s intelligent, scheming and conniving, all of which make great attributes for a bad guy but he was no threat to 47 compared to what Grey could’ve been.

He didn’t give up the goods. He gave them targets, then took all the resources of Providence right from under everyone

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Which shows intelligence, not mental toughness. And the targets WERE the goods that 47/Grey/Diana were after.

Were we playing the same game? :upside_down_face:

I’ve lost what the discussion is about. So with that…

I do think Grey’s ending was “satisfactory,” but I do wish he stayed around for 47 and Grey: the Coop Adventures. I honestly thought IOI was going in that direction. Ahhh well. Someday we’ll have an open stealth game that’s coop. Nothing like that exists at this moment for the most part.

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I would argue Grey was after Providence. He didn’t just want to kill three old people, he wanted to take down the organization. Instead he got the names of 3 old people and the constant took the whole organization.

They aren’t mutually exclusive traits tho

He didn’t give away any of his actual plan to take all the partners resources for himself. Therefore he didn’t, as you said,

he gave away strategic pieces of information to aid himself. Saying he’s not ‘mentally tough’ is just wrong :man_shrugging: for another example at the end of H3 he accepts his death with grace. Now I’d say that shows exactly how tough he is

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You can be intelligent AND have mental toughness as many people do such as Grey who is the best example but they are different traits from one another.

He gave up the plans what they wanted fo certain. His plans didn’t matter because as far as they were concerned he was captured.

He knew he was completely screwed at that point. Some might say he chose the cowards way out rather than jail or whatever other possibility. And if you inject him with the serum he loses composure for sure :joy:

Actually thought the Constant’s moves at the end were brilliant. He effectively took control of the world and had 47/Burnwood do all the work.

The Constant lost because he lost to the “best.” If I’m going to go out, at least take me out by the best and not some random moron.

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He was sneaky for sure but he had no chance against 47. Like a butterfly biting a rhino’s arse :slightly_smiling_face:

He needed to (in his mind) get Diana on board to even get close to 47 but Diana played him not the other way around.

That’s another thing, if he was so smart didn’t he realise that Diana has pulled this same trick before in Blood Money? :sweat_smile:

Again, you can dismiss the Constant, but he still had control of the world for a period of time. That’s something that not many can claim for, and to consider the Constant: stupid, cowardly, etc? Does it really matter when he accomplished what he wanted in the end?

So what? What if he and Providence approved it? Hell, they let it happen - especially if you go on the WoA “new” canon. They had to have LET it happen or approve.

I’m not seeing your complaints over the Constant, in the end he accomplished what he wanted.

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I only said cowardly not that he was stupid. He was stupid AS the main bad guy I think but he definitely wasn’t stupid himself.

I’m just being sarcastic about Blood Money. They have likely created their own canon where that may not have happened or happened differently.

I’d say it depends on which ending you chose. If you kill or inject him he doesn’t but if you let him capture you he does yes. But that is the main thing - how much of a threat he is to 47. Rather than how quickly he rises up the ranks by selling his friends out.

And like I said I think that Grey would’ve been a much bigger threat as the main villain but they done him dirty.

I guess you and I interpret things differently here. In my mind, it’s clear that the Constant is so confident, it’s WHY he turns his back on 47 and lets HIM decide the ultimate fate.

But again, it’s an interpretation. I think it was overconfidence on why the Constant lost.

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Ye to be perfectly honest, that part felt out of character for me. I was half expecting a trap to trigger or for him to pull a knife or something. Or for Grey to appear after having faked his own death and reveal his plan :rofl:

I feel like they never really planned on The Constant being the main villian, he just kinda naturally evolved into it. Looking at 2016, Colorado seemed to imply there was one main head of Providence, and that was the main antagonist.


And at the end of the Hokkaido cutscene he seemed like he was still pretty loyal to his bosses and showed no signs that he was looking for any higher ambitions (“We won a long time ago”).

I feel like the as the story went on it kinda just led to him being the main villain.

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To be fair though, they could’ve at least done something a little bit more productive with Grey because as far as I can tell his job was keeping us connected to the Hitman server and ticking off the Challenges as we complete them :rofl:

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