I agree with everything there. He would’ve made either a superb villain and him turning would’ve been an amazing story OR he could’ve been used much more effectively in gameplay as an ally.
I don’t know if you’ve ever seen the Bond movie Goldeneye but spoilers if you haven’t - I saw Lucas Grey ending up to 47 was 006 was to 007. He was 47’s closest friend and ability wise almost on par with him. Could’ve been something epic there.
There is also the fact that the Constant once again ends up as the main bad guy. He really feels like a pansy who is just absolutely shitting himself waiting for 47 to turn up and kill him and sneakily using any way he can to prevent that. I was convinced there would be someone more sinister than him behind the scenes but no. It felt even worse after we basically frog march him out of the place during the Isle Of Sgail. Then he sneaks away again. Seems more like the generic rattish type of bad guy rather than a true nemesis that I thought the trilogy deserved.
idk, i still think the whole story would have been better if he wasn’t connected to 47 as another Clone, i mean look what 47 did to the 48s and 17.
But here is this Guy 47 is out to kill, but instead he lets him inject some Anti Amnesia Juice and now they are buddies. Its bullshit.
Also why doesn’t 47 remember his origins again? They say this during the ICA Facility Training, that he doesn’t remember where hes from and that the Asylum was a dead end, but chronologically this is before Codename 47s first Mission.
He’s well aware of him being a Clone, the 5 Fathers and all the events of the other Games, isnt he?
i wrote my take on the Story, which connects all the Games including HITMAN 1 and 2 a while back and i think this would have been much better than to screw it all over with this RetCon Nonsense.
Yes, that is the context of the story as a whole. We can criticise it, beginning with Hitman 2016. But now that we already have that whole story, I, in my opinion, think that the way it turned out is too rushed, anticlimactic and just warmed up coffee from the storys of Blood Money and Absolution. And those two are, also in my opinion, the worst stories of all the Hitman games.
I think if they’d had the budget to do more with the cutscenes, we could have had some very moving scenes with them as kids that establishes why 47 would immediately trust him.
I saw that as a defensive move. Diana says at one point “If he does [remember], he’s not sharing.” He could have known the whole time and just used “amnesiac from a hospital” as a placeholder for the truth which, for all he knows, could put a huge price on his head. He’s coming to them for purpose not to be dissected.
It’s small things. Mostly that he’s a character of low charisma, shady ethics, and some of his lines seemed at times to have two meanings.
Also fanbase aversion to having an on-field teammate or the expectation that we should be in the game on our own means some people were quick to latch on to a handle to “get rid of Lucas Grey”. So they find it easy to believe any theory where Grey is a traitor or Grey will be killed.
In the end, it was the latter and I agree he got the best possible outcome in terms of how the story used him.
I was actually surprised he died so quickly and that all this time he was innocent like I was expecting him to be a fraud or do something to 47.
Everything had a loyal feel that doesn’t fit 47’s persona.
Yes i get that, but why is Diana curios about the Picture of young 47? They already know his origin, because at that point they witnessed the Events of Codename 47-Absolution.
She doesn’t know anything about his childhood. And the constant tried to catch her with her curiosity for it. And at that point he already knew that it was 47 who killed her parents.
And that’s why it’s a pity they didn’t show more about his childhood and the events before C47.
There’s always more to know. Someone as naturally curious and analytical as Diana would find 47 fascinating even if they barely knew him. With Diana, I think it’s fair to say that it goes far beyond that, no matter how you characterize their relationship.
Aside from the obvious benefits of a society where people don’t got out seeking revenge at every perceived wrong, the main reason it tends to end badly for main characters is it makes for satisfying “tragedy”.
The formula for a tragedy is someone who is impressive and “heroic” must be destroyed by some flaw.
Grey has a strong sense of justice, he is an expert assassin, an incorruptible man and good brother - his flaw is that he never ahead of taking his revenge. He didn’t anticipate the ambush because it didn’t occur to him it could continue past the moment of Alexa Carlisle’s death.
Makes for a much more dramatic and satisfying ending for him than “invented reason to betray 47 then got drowned in toilet 'cause player was determined to do the most humiliating SA possible”
I think the ending cutscene of Haven was a bit weirdly written/directed if it wasn’t intended to imply that Grey was a traitor, but… In the end I think Grey was used the right way.
In a sense Grey acts as 47s safety blanket in the end of H2 and begnning of H3. A big brother figure who helps him along, and supports him and wants him to be his own man. But, ironically, in order for 47 to be his own man, the support that Grey provides needs to go, and he needs to go fairly early in H3, so that 47 can start being the one in control (Berlin / Chongqing).
Maybe a turncoat situation could’ve served the same purpose, but it would have to happen about as early as Grey’s death did in order to work, which might be a bit strange, and it would probably have been a bit cliché.
Yeah strangely Grey being genuine and early death was more surprising than turning traitor and being the final antagonist.
Replaying these games though I think the angle they’re going for is that Grey is sort of ignoring or downplaying the Constant because he’s just hellbent on revenge and doesn’t want to get sidetracked. After Dubai 47 seems a bit annoyed and says they need to worry about the Constant bu Grey isn’t that fussed and thinks of him as a pencil pusher.
It’s very possible they changed track and originally had Grey be a villain but who knows.
Though I liked Soders being taken out at the end of Hitman 2016 and not becoming the main villain after finishing the Trilogy I wonder if they should’ve held onto him until the end. It mightve been helpful having a tangible ICA representative for when they turn against you. Or perhaps he could’ve been a target in Mendoza. Having crossed to Providence after the leak. Giving us a target that we recognise rather than 2 new unknowns.
Or, perhaps, in some bizarre world The Constant could’ve been a target in Mendoza and Soders the final enemy of the Epilogue. I wonder!
It always bugged me that 0 people working for Providence were concerned about going to a party when 47 had just burned the ICA to the ground. Like, y’all he’s still out there and he’s been killing your coworkers for months. Should you maybe be concerned?
As far as I’m concerned, the true ending is the last scene with Diana in Mendoza. 47 saying “I’m sorry”, that’s the biggest moment in the series right there.
I’ve just rewatched it for the first time in a while and you’ve got a great point. Grey tells 47 they should hear from the others soon, then Olivia and Diana realise that the Constant has escaped, then we see a phone ringing near Grey and 47 and Grey reads the message and says “message from Olivia, everything’s going to plan” but given what happened just before this her saying this would make no sense and the way Grey says this seems very sneaky.
In fact, like you alluded to, you’d have to clutch at straws to come to the conclusion that the purpose of this cutscene WASN’T to make Grey look like a traitor. Here’s the video for reference:-
Then the opening of Hitman 3 just acts like this never happened. Some might say that this was filmed in a way to keep players guessing about what might come next but honestly I think as @HolySock just mentioned above it is likely that they changed track between 2 and 3. I think the original plan was for Grey to be the overall villain and then they just left it at the Constant again for some reason who quite frankly is a weak and generic villain compared to what a turned Lucas Grey could’ve been.
They established through the rest of H3 that Edwards is really good at intercepting communications and knowing everyone’s business. But yeah, Diana could have sounded more flustered at their biggest lead disappearing.
Beyond just the logic of it all I also think the entire scene when Grey gets the message is shot and lit in a way that has strong overtones of “this is a bad guy”, for instance the very first moment in the scene has him entirely in darkness as he turns to the buzzing phone.
He also has his back to 47 as he reads out the “news” putting him as a barrier between 47 and the message, which I think implies something secretive.
