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Jake would feed 'em to his pet :snake:

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I think I’m a bad person because of good 'ol Christian guilt that i can’t shake.

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I recall Michael Vick’s dog fighting charges… I couldn’t even stand to look at the guy when they showed him on the news. Then there was that (I think) Brazillian YouTuber that posted videos of himself torturing and even killing a cat. Things like that can surely stir up a murderous rage when an innocent being is harmed in a sadistic manner.

Maybe death is too good for people like that. Maybe they should be tortured in like manner that they’ve done to their victims. Again, I said “maybe”. I suppose if they’re locked up to where they can do harm to no one else - then that’s fine. But it’s shame we have to support them still existing.

Edit: But if they should somehow learn how to truly have empathy (by whatever means) then that’s a win in my book. In a way, the part of them that was cruel has died.

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As good a qualification as any (if we can’t get basic civics, ethics, and civil service exams)

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It’s because Heisenberg made the poll, so our opinion is wrong anyway :woman_shrugging:

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  • Arkham Origins
  • Arkham Asylum
  • Arkham City
  • Arkham Knight

0 voters

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“It’s da Bat!” “It’s da Bat!” “It’s da Bat!”

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Arkham Asylum. Has better pacing and a more focused plot since everything takes places on Arkham Island which isn’t fully explorable from the start. It’s easier to loose focus on the main missions when playing the sequels but that’s just me :grin:

Also Asylum has one of the most epic scene in the series, spoilers if you haven’t played it (go play it!)

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This is a difficult question because each entry has their own strengths over another.

Asylum and City are probably the most favourite story-wise.

Origins has the best boss fights.

And Knight perfects the gameplay to be silky-smooth.

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Gotta go with Arkham Knight. I love the entire Arkham series, every entry is top tier (yes, even Origins), but Knight just kept surprising at every turn (except for the reveal of who the actual Arkham Knight was, everyone saw that coming). It’s the scariest game in the series and one of the scariest games of all time, in both atmosphere and jump scares, like a melding of Resident Evil and Silent Hill. Scarecrow’s never been more frightening, characters like Man-Bat and Killer Croc are terrifying, the plot line of the infected people Turing into Joker was certainly not expected, and the reveal that The Joker, who was sworn to have been dead for real, was actually part of the whole damn game as an infection in Batman’s mind slowly taking him over was a twist nobody expected. They pulled out all the stops for the last entry, and they nailed it.

I always felt that a better reveal for the identity of the Arkham Knight would have been Barbara Gordon. Her kidnapping and paralysis at the hands of The Joker was only a cover to Joker’s true intentions, which was to implant in her mind the notion that Batman is actually her enemy who caused all her suffering, and she has actually been able to walk all along, having built up the Arkham Knight persona, built a combat suit that deceptively looks like a man’s physique to throw off suspicion, joined forces with Scarecrow, and faked her own kidnapping and death in the game to drive Batman insane with guilt. I guarantee you, no one would have seen that coming.

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Origins also had a great story. I remember how people were pissed because the plot was again focused on the Joker even though Black Mask was the most featured in trailers. Arkham series is Joker’s story.

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That’s what was great about it. It really leaned into the fact that all of Batman’s mythology is a fight between him and The Joker, and all the others are just filler, brief breaks between their battles. The Arkham series really gets that across, how despite the threat posed by all these other dangerous villains attacking, Joker’s actions are connected to, responsible for, or have influenced, every action taken by all the other super criminals in the games.

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I am constantly impressed by the way Batman writers are able to wedge the Joker in to anything even remotely Batman related not even him dying in City stopped him from being in Knight and multiplying into five Jonklers.

Knight has a fantastic plot in which Scarecrow takes twelve hours to completely dismantle the Batman by allowing Batman to simply Batman himself into a corner which is marred by The Joker appearing so we can get yet another repeat on how Batman can’t possibly function with out Mr Society because they are opposites attracting and all that crap.

Oh and then there is the actual Knight himself, I have no clue why he wasn’t simply just the Red Hood from the start the whole other persona is so ill-defined from the casual Red Hood character it feels like a pointless mystery. You could have spent the time the in-game characters use trying to figure out who he is and instead use that time to better deconstruct Batman’s relationship with Todd then and in the game’s time.

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Oh fucking God, no! I can see you typing Walter, put your keyboard away Walter!

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The only reason Scarecrow’s assault was working at all was because the exposure to his toxin was making The Joker stronger. If that hadn’t been happening, Batman would have ended the whole thing in half the time at least, including the other villains. Not to mention he only pulled off his assault because of the Arkham Knight’s army, and AK only exists in the first place because of The Joker. Hell, the whole damn Arkham series storyline only happens as it does because of him (with a little oomph from Ra’s Al Ghul’s chemicals slowly driving Gotham crazy over the centuries to culminate in The Joker as it’s final state, but that’s another issue entirely).

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I am liking this only because you work so hard on it and because I don’t want to debate the finer points of Batmobile: Arkham Knight.

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Fair enough. Good name for, too. :+1:

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i kinda liked the joker as virus thingy in ak. it’s just about on the right side of outrageously ridiculous for me. kinda in the same ballpark as snyder’s death of the family run. like, it has all kinds of problems but it’s too goofy for me to really hate on, you know? not like geoff john’s go nowhere three jokers schtick.

i can’t really see any hamil performance as a ‘mr society’ take on joker either; way too much glee and not enough cod-sociology. that rhymes, so it has to be true.

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Yeah, I prefer the Joker who’s gleeful and giggly and doing horrible things because he thinks it’s funny, to the one who’s trying to prove some sociopolitical point to people while playing up a clown image. As great as Ledger’s Joker was, I really don’t like how much they’ve tried to make most subsequent Jokers like him, focusing on him being scary-looking and philosophical and crazy just for the sake of crazy. They don’t seem to quite get the fact that Ledger’s Joker made sense for Nolan’s universe, and Phoenix’s Joker makes sense for that universe (and he’s kinda in-between the classic and Ledger Jokers, mentally), but those are outliers. Hamill and Nicholson show more true versions of what the Joker is supposed to represent; that he’s not scary and violent and insane because of some philosophical view of society. He’s scary and violent and insane because he thinks it’s funny. That’s all, it’s that simple. All the death and destruction is a joke, an actual, literal joke that he’s trying to tell to an audience, and he sees death and pain and misery as a legitimate punchline. He’s not trying to change people’s minds about the meaning of life, he does what he does because it’s hilarious and makes him laugh. Hamill’s version always makes that work.

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One could argue that Nicholson’s Joker was a bit too materialistic (and certainly too much just Jack Nicholson in clown makeup) to truly be in on his own jokes.

I think we can all agree, though, that Jared Leto’s Joker is the worst Joker.

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