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I mean if @Charlie_Farmer is saying making chromosome jokes is sick and Reddit is sick for it then I fully agree, it just looked like he was taking issue with them not knowing the Hitman lore.

My apologies to Charlie for any misunderstandings

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Let’s just make it an unwritten lore rule that if you have a number in your name that automatically makes it the set amount of chromosomes in your DNA.

Agent 17
Agent 47
Any Clone Trooper in Star Wars that isn’t detrimental.

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I feel like I am going insane because I know for a fact that 47 does have additional chromosomes, which is why I thought nothing of the joke and ignored the broader context but is it really 47? I could have sworn it was less than that, I am going crazy.

I think as a detail it’s…. different. As a random fact it’s stupid. As a Hitman Fact it’s definitely a fact that only makes sense with the context of Hitman as a series.

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I don’t even think it is canon anymore either (for the best, if we are being fair) since the GAMA medical records seem to indicate he is a clump of manipulated stem cells on top of the donor DNA (a much more valid form of cloning and genetic manipulation) instead of opting for the additional chromosomes thing.

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I mean it isn’t the first time IO picks and chooses when it comes to their lore with them outright retconning events to fit into the current trilogy’s narrative by labeling them as false memories with the real ones coming back via memory juice.

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And I am thankful for it because it vindicates my “Absolution was a really bad cheese overdose nightmare” theory.

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I never like the idea of outright retconning events let alone entire games which is why Contracts simply works the way it is. Since it adheres to the the logic set within that game where it’s all in 47’s head outside of the final mission. It reinterprets specific events of C47 while neither invalidating the original game.

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I don’t either generally. Absolution is merely an exception I make in those regards.

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I think there’s aspects of Absolution that should of been referenced especially in HITMAN 3 like the fact 47 shot Diana and that could of been brought up in the Nightmare sequence where she is dancing with the constant.

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True, Diana tries to kill 47 all the time so it was only fair he tried to kill her for once.

Ort-Meyer gave 47 a 47th chromosome artificially, which unlike a “natural” one that causes issues like Down’s syndrome, artificial ones could prove beneficial, although I don’t know if that’s moved beyond theory in the real world. GAMA was comparing him to the best thing they knew because they didn’t know what they were looking at with him. They didn’t think he was a clone based on recombinant DNA, and since the whole clone scare of the mid-00s in the series had long-since died down with no clones beyond type 2 confirmed to exist, who would all have long since expired, GAMA didn’t know that was what they were looking at.

We have moved beyond them at least in a transhumanist capacity, HACs are hard to make but they still get used in certain forms of genome research. Their capacity to alter the genome of a human is minimal in terms of physical abilities, they are still purported to help reduce diseases though…

I find that unlikely mostly because SCNT technology is understood to exist and is a common method in stem cell research to procure embryonic stem cells. So a top of the line hospital with fully accredited staff with one of the world’s leading experts on stem cell research temporarily on staff means they should be aware of 47 being an aberration.

Also I didn’t say GAMA thought 47 was a clone at all, the report clearly says that 47 is “one giant stem cell”, is physically younger than is chronological age suggest and that it is unusual. The hospital staff want to keep him on-site for longer so they can find out what is going on with him they don’t state that they think he is a clone.

Further more, haven’t we had this argument before? I feel like I have had it before…

Exactly my point. They never realized that if they had considered him in terms of a recombinant DNA clone that had had his traits artificially selected to create a human at peak performance with all downsides suppressed to their minimal level, it would have answered a lot of their questions about him.

We have had this discussion before. I’m afraid I found your answers then most unsatisfactory, and so I decided that, so long as it’s been brought up again, might as well continue it. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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Hey, if it’s worth doing, it’s worth doing right.

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I can only imagine how wild lore discussions get for RPG games such as The Elder Scrolls :grin:

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… oh, you don’t even wanna fuck with fantasy fans when it comes to lore. Us sci-fi buffs ain’t got shit on them.

It’s why Star Wars geeks are the ultimate geeks: it’s sci-fi and fantasy… :scream: intertwinned.

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On the Doctor Who forum I sometimes visit, there was a 20 page argument about the size of the windows on the TARDIS. There are people who are very particular about lore and such. I know in Star Trek with Strange New Worlds TV show being a prequel to The Original Series I’ve heard fans complain that the dimensions of the Enterprise set for that show are inaccurate to that of the set built in the 1960’s.

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I got Star Wars Trivial Pursuit a bunch of years ago. I got to play it once. My friend went first, got their first (and only) question wrong and I won the game on my first turn.

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