DARTMOOR, England (Mission #2) - Location Discussion

I remeber seeing (or rather hearing) a female NPC with a male voice somewhere.

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It’s this gardener lady, but she obviously doesn’t have that voice when she’s talking about the funeral arrangements, that wouldn’t have gone unnoticed. Just when you distract or spook her and even then it doesn’t always happen.


And no, she doesn’t have a male name in contracts mode.

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I really enjoy the aesthetics of this level. However, there’s one thing which bothers me. Why does everyone refer to Alexa Carlisle as “Madam Carlisle”? The word “madam” is used when you don’t know the name of the person you are addressing - i.e. “Dear Sir or Madam” or “Can I help you, madam?”

Instead, at Thornbridge Manor, everyone says “Madam Carlisle” as if it were an English aristocratic title. The target intel implies this heritage; “Their earliest known ancestor was knighted during the War of the Roses, and for centuries, the Carlisles lived a comfortable but quiet existence among the rural nobility”.

“Madam” is not an English title. It’s totally meaningless in this context. “Lady Carlisle” or “Baroness Carlisle” would have been more appropriate. Clearly the writers wanted to convey this aristocratic status instead of just calling her “Mrs. Carlisle”. Yet it seems they settled on a title which does not actually exist.

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I believe they were going for meaning 2, though 1 also somewhat applies

I feel like my previous comment already addressed these definitions implicitly. However, for the sake of clarity I will do so more directly below.

  1. (often initial capital letter) a polite term of address to a woman, originally used only to a woman of rank or authority: Madam President; May I help you, madam?

When madam is used as a “polite term of address to a woman”, it is never used in conjunction with her surname. That’s because it is only used when you don’t know the name of the person.

An exception to this would be a government title like “Madam President”. However, this is an Americanism. As I already stated, “Madam” is never used as a title in the British aristocracy.

  1. the woman in charge of a household: Is the madam at home?

Another clear example of “madam” being used when the name of the person is unknown. Even then, I have never heard anyone use an expression like that. As a Brit, “Is the madam at home?” sounds very weird.

In addition, each of these definitions is very different to the way “madam” is used in Hitman 3. Throughout the level, multiple characters refer to Alexa Carlisle as “Madam Carlisle”. This is clearly intended to sound like an official title because it has a captial M and it is combined with her surname. No such title exists.

It isn’t a title though, it is an honorific. Madame is being used the way it should as per the second definition: As a feminine alternative to Master as in Master of the House which is what Alexa is. Similar to how Alfred refers to Bruce as Master Wayne, Bruce is the head of the house and he is the butler.

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Actually that’s not correct. “Master” is used in Britain as a title for boys who are too young to be called “Mister”. So ironically, a Master of the house would actually be the owners’ son, a junior member of the household.

Alfred refers to Bruce as “Master” in Batman due to the ongoing paternal role Alfred plays in Bruce’s life. If proper norms were being observed, Alfred would not use that title. Here’s an article for more detail on this.

The correct terminology for servants to use would be “sir” and “ma’am”. But these terms are never combined with a surname. It is simply wrong to use the title “Madam Carlisle”, even for a servant.

Interestingly, you seem to have compared the usage of “Madam” here to a male equivalent of “Master”. Thus, if it did make any sense, it would only work in the context of servants. In this hypothetical senario, an external visitor such as the detective certainly wouldn’t refer to the owners of the house as Master and Madam.

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Doing ICA Space Program from the mansion right into the grave

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Or molest a child. Or arrest a guy for playing fornite without a tv loiscence.

Can’t I just start at the family gathering unlockable location, lockpick the door and fix it? Then just go do other things and wait?

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Well it is the UK that could just be a very ugly man.

I hate Britain so much. Probably the reason I don’t like this level, I feel it’s way too easy for a one target level. One bodyguard and you’ve got her. She stands under a lot of obvious accidents, you can become a lawyer to get her alone. It feels mediocre and her route isn’t interesting unless that bell changes it a ton.but also it takes way too long for any scripted kill to happen when the target could be killed anywhere and no one would see it. Which is good but also bad. I also don’t like the monotony of climbing. It’s like Paris but without an easy cheat pipe.

I also just don’t like Britain so I’m biased. The only good exports they have are Tom Baker and Fawlty Towers.

Don’t worry mate I don’t like button either but that’s just because I’m British and that’s what we do

Her behavior definitely changes if you tell her he did himself in. Just wait a bit after you get the file, don’t go all big hands on her so soon

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This level plays beautifully suit only style. I’ve just done a cinematic/roleplay style playthrough of it and all the timing of the npc and target routes are great for it and really realistic.

I can’t help but think though that when we finish the Means, Motive And Opportunity mission story as the Investigator that Alexa should clear the room of all guards leaving us free to push her off the balcony. It seems that this whole story was to set that opportunity up so it just seems really weird that 47 would just stroll past all the guards standing there in her office and push her off the balcony. It would’ve been perfect if she had turned to her guards and said something like “leave us to talk privately please” or something to that effect causing them to all leave the area.

When you finish the mission story and reveal yourself to be 47, asking for the Constant’s files, Alexa mentions “I thought you were here to kill me, not help me!” So I assume that she had some inkling as to you sneaking up behind her and killing her. Seems weird to just let you get behind her for a push kill, but considering one of the paths leads to her jumping off herself, seems like she knew she’d had it coming either way.

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Ye true. Causing her to kill herself seems like the best option of the 3 in that mission story. It’s just the guards standing there like lemons that seems peculiar if you choose the option that lets us do the dirty deed ourselves :joy:

I personally prefer smothering her in the panic room after testing out each method now. Reminds me of Beldingford back in Contracts and I’m a sucker for those throwback to the classic games style kills. What’s your preferred way for this level Chicken?

Ok, is there a way to start the family meeting suit only? I shot the bell, and it changed some patterns but that’s it. Fixed the poison machine, did not get the hands off result I wanted, ended up getting impatient and dropping all the moose antlers in England on her

The photographer opportunity activates the meeting. You should be able to do it suit only if you are careful enough.

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Thank you very much friend

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No problem.