- The Unofficial Lucas Grey Fanclub -

Fake fan can’t even spell Ort-Meyer’s name right.

I remember one of the early theories I had about him was that he was the leader of a group of clones that had survived 47’s massacre at the asylum. They were bitter at being suddenly dumped out into the world with no skills and hated 47 for killing their father as he was the only stability they had ever known. And I thought that was a lot of stretching to make a plot that didn’t involve a dead wife.

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When I saw him in the first two cutscenes from Hitman 2016 I thought he has something against the ICA. I didn’t thought about Providence, even when Hajun mentioned it. But after the Colorado cutscene I was like “ooooooh it’s a family drama!” :sweat_smile:

I didn’t reach that part of Mendoza yet, but it’s definitely easier to call someone a friend once they’re dead. When they were together, Diana didn’t seem to like Lucas Grey too much, questioning both his motives and his methods. Not saying that dislike is unfounded or purely for how Grey maneuvres himself into 47’s circle of trust, previously only occupated by her, but it can have been a factor. Given her keen intuition she surely sensed how Grey felt about her, as expressed by himself on multiple occasions, post-Dubai in particular. Grey wanted to emancipate 47 and make him break free from the large influence Diana has over him. Given his growing bond with 47 this could have been considered a threat by Diana and definitely as something out of her control.

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Just a question… can you make Grey dance with Diana?

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Well if that did happen, 47 would be stuck in his own nightmare and never wake up on the train. :joy:

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oh my god thank you for creating this place, finally have a place to discuss him
honestly theres too little appreciation for him

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Mini looking at the Grey disguise mod like

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Well… yes… :sweat_smile: guilty! But more his model from Hitman 2, the one from Hitman 3 sucks a bit (he’s still sexy af buuuuuuut the other one is much much better).

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That’s the question. What’s worse for 47? Diana dancing with the Constant? Or Diana dancing with Grey?

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Y’all are sleeping on the real best tango partner

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Uh Diana dancing with a ghost

Lukas Grey fanclub! Thats very cool.

Just as I said in the Diana Fanclub, his voiceacting and the characters creation definitely work together perfectly. LIke everyone else in my opinion in this franchise, Olivias voiceactors and her in game apperance and personality fit together just as well. I loved Lukas Grey especially at the end of Hitman 2016, when I figured out he is voiced by John Hopkins, who also voices Aaron Keener in The Division 1, another game I really enjoyed because of its story, and Aaron Keener just like Lukas Grey is a good one turned bad who practices his own sense of justice and new world order.

But sadly I have to say that I liked Greys character a bit less each game. At first I never thought he would be 47s brother, my bets had been on someone with another past linked to 47. We need to remember that at the end of 2016 we knew about Providence, Shadow Client and the ICA and that was it. My suggestion was that he was, like Diana turned out to be, some former relative or else of 47s past hits. Or someone who wants the world for himself and tick of Providence in the process. He felt like a very powerful, skilled assassin as we are introduced to him in Paris. This his whole masterplan of making the player kill targets he orchastrated in the shadows surprised me so much after Bangkok, I loved it.

But in Hitman 2, as we actively hunt him down so easily, and then wants us to join him… It felt a little like the meme where one asks “What now?” and the other replies “Dont know, Ive never came this far”. As if he had no plans whatsoever other than “To take them all down”, and from one moment to another, we are the ones carrying out his plans. I can see why alot of people didnt like him to turn against us at some point, but again, I hoped it would happen.

See, in Hitman 1 he made us hunt targets down and kill them for his benefit. In Hitman 2 then, we join his revenge path and now we, again, kill for his gains. In Hitman 3, we do the same again. Really well portrait in the first story mission in the game, where we are tasked to set up the perfect situation for him once more. After Dartmoore and the statics I heavily believed he turned on us now. Finally reaching his “final form” of being the most skilled, and dangerous of 47s enemies.

He didnt.

And thats ok. How the story ended was very nice, and promising. I still like Grey alot, and I definitely like his character concept, design, personality, voiceacting, everything that makes the character who he is. I just cant stop believing there would have been room for so much more if they just wouldnt have killed him off.

Yes, totally possible! :stuck_out_tongue:

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Uuuuh hihihihi

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Can you do some screenshots of it? :see_no_evil:

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I’ve just tried and actually can’t seem to do it, would work with more conventional mods like HMB47’s ones but I can’t seem to get Grey to work in Mendoza with my method :frowning:

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It’s okay, maybe someday it will work :relaxed: But thank you very much for trying! :heart:

Sorry, but unless it’s the official Lucas Grey fanclub then I’m just not interested. I’m not in for off-brand knock-offs; I want properly licenced and approved Lucas Grey appreciation only, thanks.

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Maybe I can submit an application to IOI. Than we can sell Lucas Grey merchandise, like black T-Shirts and hair gel.

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I get your point. In Hitman 2016 he was a very mysterious character and I think ihis story could have been everything (at least till the Colorado cutscene). As is said before, I thought he has something against ICA. I thought about some kind of a back story where his family got killed because of the ICA or something like that.

I like how everything turned out. I think he made some big progress. When he almost lost his voice after 47 killed Stuyvesant and Ingram it showed how much he wanted Providence down and it would have been so interesting to see what he would have done after the partners were dead.

I’m still not satisfied with how things turned out. His death felt way too rushed and left some plot holes. The developers and writers did a far better Job in Hitman 2016 and in Hitman 2 with creating a dynamic between the main characters. 47s story worked parallel to Diana’s and Grey’s. But in Hitman 3 it was like “okay, first let’s get rid of Grey, than Olivia and than we can get the focus on 47 and Diana. Oh the Constant? Well, don’t know, just, make him do something.” I really miss the passion in the story of Hitman 3 (well at least when it comes to other characters than 47 and Diana).

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Your argument really wraps up well wha felt so wrong with Hitman 3, I think you hit the nail there. But what can you do with only 6 cutscenes? Its a hard task and Im somehow sadly convinced that if they would have gone with the motion pictures, we might had seen more.

(Just count the amount of locations we get to see in each one and you know what I mean)

I also feel as if Hitman 3 is, while being the most atmospheric, also the most disconected between the gameplay and the story. The targets often have nothing to do with the story. And I feel like this started with the HItman 2 DLC. Let me explain: In Hitman 1, all targets have been ordered hits. Until Bangkok a normal Hitman game. Then, after Bangkok, two ICA ordered hits to push the story forward. In Hitman 2, every target was perfectly tied into the story. Killing defectors for your “new boss”, destroying Greys support by killing the middle men, and then join him and kill Janus for a coverup story while finding evidence for the current constant, and then the washingtons that had to die because of the kill switchs, an actual ingame mechanic.

In the DLC, both locations are basically “kill them for coverup/access” but the targets themselfs have nothing to do with the goal of the story. Hitman 3s first two main targets are back on the story again. But Berlin gives us 11 “faceless” targets, follwed by China that also gives us two disconnected targets just like Haven, and even Mendoza doesnt feel like there is much to them. These targets feel so… disconected to the overall story and the excelent past of Hitman 1 and 2s targets that Im just not satisfied with how it turned out.